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To Do List

I have begun working on the Girls Item Mall Hairstyles. GM-Lychee just modeled all the scp hairstyles so all I have to do now is edit and add. --AnyaAnya 06:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I've added the my sub-paged to do list to the Community Portal main page, per azog's suggestion. So this section will be to discuss it, I suppose. I added my "signature" to each of the completed, since I did those ones. I'll start adding the time-stamp to each one from now on.

Anyone who edits that to do list should sign their name next to what they've completed. Also, don't change the categories where everything is without discussing it. I think it has a pretty good organization now, but if anyone thinks it could be better let's talk here.--Rikki 00:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Merchant Pages

Right now they're pretty long. Perhaps change them to something like this? Not entirely sure if that makes it easier or harder to read.--Rikki 21:44, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Looking through all of the merchant pages to check the prices, I would vote that it would be harder to read.--Tacitala 20:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I actually find it a lot easier to read.. before you'd have to scroll to see the entire list and there was a lot of white space, whereas now it's all there in front of you. I thought about it and I think each npc should have its own npc page instead of just putting the store.. this would also help in case they happen to have quests like the dailies and such. Also, instead of 3 columns of items it would probably be easier to use 2 like this. I also rearranged the items in my example to match the order of items in the shop in-game. Thoughts? -Ly 14:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I like it Ly. Very nice. I love the idea that they'd be like the NPC pages too, good for quests like you mentioned.--Rikki 23:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Be careful of using physical page layouts. On my screen, that sample looks like this, File:Azog-sample.jpg. You might need to make creative use of the break template, {{-}}. Azog 23:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I think we want it to look like that. As with other NPC pages (if we get around to doing the layout like that), the table on the right spans the entire page. We'll probably want that to happen with the merchant pages too, but the idea is to prevent unnecessary scrolling. Doing something like this with the break template does that. And creates a lot of needless white space like Ly said.--Rikki 23:48, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly! I was about to post a very similar reply along with Anthony as the example page haha. What we're trying to do is add an infobox to the right side of the page used traditionally for character profiles on most wikis.. it just looks different because we dont have as much information to fill up the first section of the page to follow with a break. -Ly 23:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
It looks different because you are trying to force physical layout into a screen orientation for which you don't have any parameters. Add the quote as an integral part of the infobox, User:Azog/sandbox. Azog 00:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
/facepalm. Perhaps something like this instead? Have the quote under the picture? We can have it's own row of course, either way works for me.--Rikki 00:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
That's the ticket! Azog 00:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
You probably could put a header on the store table, Store, and have it colspan. Azog 00:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Haha, sweet! My only concern now is how the quotes will work with the other npc pages.. some of them have multiple quotes and it would look odd to place them all in that spot. Or is it okay to have them different for just the merchant pages? -Ly 00:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I can install an extension so that it pulls up a random quote. Then you can include all their quotes, and it'll only show one. Azog 00:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Love that idea! The only problem is not having all pieces of information available at once, but it would really help with the layout. I'm up for it at least. -Ly 00:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I've installed two new extensions, one being the random function mentioned directly above. Documentation looks pretty straight-forward on that page, and I've created a sandbox with both formats: User:Azog/random. Azog 20:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The Merchants in the Train Station sell different things, such as Paris' sell the Green/Blue/Yellow Kitty Bow Hats. I see that right now these items are not under any Merchant Categories. Do you want to create pages/categories for merchants inside the train station? or just leave it at that for now? Just a discussion. --AnyaAnya 00:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmm.. maybe once the new merchant layouts have been applied, a section can be added to the merchant's page called Sunbright Express or something and another shop table can be added there. I'll work on applying the layout updates so we can move forward with it. -Ly 14:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Special Event Pages

Okay, I'm a bit uncertain as to what to do for the 2010 Christmas event. The quest names are the exact same, as are the rewards (replace Candy Cane Shard with Dream Fragment) and quest requirements. The only things that are changed are the descriptions, and even then not by much since they just moved to New York for this. My question is, should we create a new quest line with "(2010)" next to it (ex: The Eccentric Mr. Jinch (2010)) or should we just make a note on all the 2009 quests that it only changed slightly for 2010? Something like this?--Rikki 02:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I like how that looks actually..got my vote. :) I'd hate to lose any information but the slight adjustment in description isn't a good enough reason to add more clutter to the page. It could appear confusing at the very least. -Ly 02:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
We should of course, add Category:2010 Christmas Quests to each of the quests (since there's 1 extra quest from the New York Man). And a page for Holiday Capers & Celebrations (2010) or Holiday Capers & Celebrations in New York or Holiday Capers & Celebrations in New York (2010)? Ahh. Long names. Curses. Officially, the event title is Holiday Capers & Celebrations in New York, but since we've added the dates for the other special events... --Rikki 02:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I created the page as Holiday Capers & Celebrations in New York (2010) but I didn't get a screenshot of the items sold during the event as well as much many fragments each one costed >.< so I'm just keeping the same costs from 2009, just switching to dream fragments. If anyone has the official prices, please let me know or edit them. ^^ Example: Candy Cane. -Ly 21:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Hairstyles

Wow! Amazing work by Anya with the hairstyles :D Thanks so much! I noticed the issue Rikki has with scrolling and maybe a slight layout edit will fix that issue? Example. It's the same thing as we did with equipped items.. I'll just go ahead and implement it so there's less work to be done. -Ly 01:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Uh oh, I see what you're doing Rikki.. lol!! I knew I forgot something >.<.. if you figure out a good height for the hairstyle pages I'll fix it up. -Ly 06:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
lulz, it's alright. 150px is fairly good. If they want to see it bigger they can always click on the picture. You fixed some of the scrolling problem, but there was just that small bit of scrolling that really annoyed me. So I went to see if I could fix it and...no more scrolling. XD;; --Rikki 06:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
My hero! xD the scroll wizard hehe. I'll continue my weird head on full body experiment lol. I love how it looks now, thanks for fixing it. -Ly 06:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the Blue Wavy Long Hair and Blonde Wavy Long Hair in the Item Mall, which look suspiciously like Blue Wavy Hair and Blonde Wavy Hair. I tried it on in the Item Mall, and it looked almost exactly the same. Of course, it could be different in-game, but...is this a bug you think? I checked in-game, and those hairstyles are still available in from the Paris Hairdresser, so...--Rikki 08:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

It certainly wouldn't be the first time they're selling something offered free lol.. there's also the Candy Cottage and Dream Carnival clothing bundles. I guess someday they'll deal with them.. doesn't make sense to leave it the way it is now. -Ly 08:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll ask a GM to model the wavy ones in IM to see if they look different ingame. Already reported to lychee about the incorrect icon picture for Pig Tail Hair (Red) and the 2 brown pig tails using the same name. --AnyaAnya 09:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Turns out the Blonde/Blue Wavy and Blonde/Blue Wavy Long look the same ingame --AnyaAnya 00:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

There are hairstyles won from events or previously sold in IM, such as the blonde perm and aloha. Which Category do you want them under? And in the "Sold In" and "Cost" section, I can just put "N/A"? --AnyaAnya 09:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I think for now, put them under Category:Limited Edition. I know right now it says it's for the special events, but we can change that to make it for any event. And yeah, feel free to put N/A if you want. Or you can change it to "Found In" and say what event it was found in. N/A will probably be easier though. If it was previously sold in the Item Mall, and you know that for a fact (like the Perm Hairs) then put it in Category:Item Mall Limited Edition.--Rikki 09:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, done! All hairstyle pages should have the new layout and a full body image now. -Ly 16:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Item Pages

In June, we decided to change all item pages to place all of the information in regard to where we get the item in one section called "Obtained From:". If an item comes from multiple places, the order you should use to display it is quest, city (link to merchant), monster, resource and production (link to production category i.e Cooking) There are a lot of pages that need this update to be implemented. I put up an example of a finished item page here. Please note that the information used there is not all accurate as it's just an example. I also realize that the image inst large enough to fill up the space.. so maybe on items that have a lot of information, we don't scale the image down to 150px? -Ly 15:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing I noticed was how much the cross-reference section stretches if you put in a lot of quest names, like here. I edited the sandbox template to add fixed widths and you can see it in action here. This also utilizes break codes <br> between each quest to make it neater. Should I update the live template with these fixed widths? -Ly 16:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I updated them because I wanted to use the sandbox template. Should have replied sooner, guess I got sidetracked. Nice job though, your sandbox looks great. Now we just need to add line breaks and spaces to the pages that already have the cross reference template. --Rikki 08:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Yay, thanks! :D I'll work on adding in the breaks now. -Ly 09:43, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Starter discussion

So I'll start the discussion with a few ideas:

  • I'd like to see a standard year convention, i.e., the full year (2010) rather than a shortened year ('10) for names of pages, categories, etc. See for example Category:Special Event Quests. I feel that the full year indicator presents a more professional product, and if I were searching for something that occurred in 2010, I'd probably search for "2010" and not "'10"
  • Categories are categories, and articles are articles. They each serve a distinct function in a wiki. I'd like to see that we don't use categories for articles (Category:Farming). A brief header text is good for a category, but any in-depth explanation should rate its own article. Again, searching and finding the material is more the issue. If I am searching for "Farming", the search defaults to to mainspace, not category space, and will make it more difficult to find.
  • Ultimately, what I'd love to see is full indexing between everything to everything else. What is Sage used for? What quests require raw sage, what productions use raw sage? Something like a bullet list (or template) at the bottom which can identify quests or recipes. Why? Many people ask "what is such-and-such used for?". If they're going to search here, and see that Caterpillar is actually used for one specific quest, they'd be more inclined to keep a few on hand; likewise, if they search for Withered Leaves, and see no use for them, they'll be more comfortable in selling or throwing them away.

Discussion? Azog 23:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Yeah, that makes a bit more sense. I'll see about moving what's there already to the full years and make sure subsequent pages are written out in full. Completed
  • As for the categories vs article, well my problem is that when I go to Gathering (or something like it), I'd like to see a list of what I can gather and such. Instead of listing it all out in an article (which is time consuming and tedious) you can have a category that will list it all out for you. I understand what you mean about the searching though. Perhaps redirect the article to the category when needed? There will probably be a lot of redirects that way, but I prefer having that list there easily seen. I suppose it's a matter of preference though.
  • I'm not much of a programmer, but I understand what you mean. I'll try to play around with the templates a bit and look up more information about it to see if we can't get something better.
  • Yes! I want this too, it would be very helpful. We have some out-of-date Stock Lists for the quests of course, but it would be nice if Sage and everything told us exactly what quests we need it for and other such information. The question is how would we set that up? Create another table/template next to the general table with or add to the current one? I'm leaning more toward creating a new template for it, it will make editing those pages a lot easier. Possible information:
    • Required in: List of quests sage is in here (separated by city?)
    • Amount Needed: How much sage is needed in each city
    • Recipes: List of recipes it is in (include house certificate materials here too?)
Hmm, I'll play with a table/template to list that information and post a view here to see if you guys like it.
Something like this? Needs to be edited a bunch, I know it could be better, but...--Rikki 04:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
  • For the category vs. article, perhaps the way is to have "Guide to...", which links to the category. Have the "Guide to..." on the mainpage, next to that would be the category. Or a subsection on the mainpage with "Guides". Granted, the "Guide to Woodcutting" would be almost identical to the "Guide to Mining", but in that case, for things that are pretty straight-forward, an overall "Guide" would suffice. Just something intricate like farming, housing, pets, would probably rank their own "Guide". I've made an idea here; both are outlined.
  • The template you sandboxed looks great so far. There's so much that can be done with that idea, I wonder how much info is too much! Gonna need some pondering, but I would say go for it. That's the great thing about templates, just change the template.

Azog 11:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Hm, I like the first idea with both of them easily visible there. I assume then, that the "Guide to..." would be in the category of whatever it is then? We still might want to redirect the regular pages (Gathering, etc.) to the Guide pages then because as you said in your first comment the big issue is searching.
  • Alright, I'll go ahead and create another template and move the sandbox template over to it so others can mess with the sandbox one. And so begins the tedious process of going to each drop page and adding these.

--Rikki 02:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

  • (undented for readability) I've made some changes to the "Guide..." and category for farming. See how it looks. I've only added a couple of pages to the "level" categories, for example. If you think the outcome looks acceptable, I'll move with the rest.
  • For the "cross reference" template, there are some features we can use to reduce clutter. I'm thinking of collapsed tables. The Resource template would be a normal table, but at the bottom can be a collapsed table for the "cross reference" template. This way, the information is there, but if a person does not wish to see it, it won't take up screen space. I'll poke on the template you have now, and see what comes out. There's no hurry to get this template on all the resource pages, and when more people become active, that'll be a good source of additional input on this particular template (as well as manpower)

Whee, progress! Azog 11:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Looks good to me. Although, since there is a Farming by Level category I don't think it's really necessary to have all the subcategories that would go in there in the main Farming Category (if that makes sense). And we might want to write out the whole word "Level" instead of "Lv" for the categories.
  • Guh! Collapsible tables, that's so awesome. I didn't even think about that! I think the Sage example looks great! Wonderful! And the Template:Cross Reference is probably a better name for it, I couldn't think of what to put to be honest, but I never seem to remember that simple is usually better.--Rikki 14:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
  • I've moved the category names from "Lv" to "Level". Check to make sure I didn't let any slip.
  • Check on the mainpage, I've added "Guide to ..." for gathering, mining and woodcutting. Farming is fairly complex, so I'm disregarding that. But these three skills are all mechanically similar. I made another sandbox at User:Azog/sandbox, where you can see I created a "General guide" page for these three, and anchored each individual link to a section within that general guide. See how you feel about that.
  • Also, the crafting skills didn't have any breakdown as the collection skills. Should they be broken down in a similar manner?

Azog 20:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Yes, we should have the crafting skills breakdown into separate levels, but that's going to be a bit hard because we'll want to break them up via their Guide level and not the Item level. The guide level is the level you need to be to create the object, not the item level. Some guides you only get during quests, that's why it may be hard.--Rikki 05:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


  • Should there be seperate pages for Recipe Guides? E.g. a search for Brown Short Boots Guide redirects the user to Brown Short Boots. It might be useful to the user to know that the Guide is a Level 5 item, that it sells for 225g, etc. --Daytripper 07:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I don't think so. Since all recipe pages show their guide level via the category (Category:Tailoring Level 03 for all level 3 tailoring) it's not necessary for that. As for sell price. I don't think it matters too much. I mean, if we all agree we should have a sell price, I would add it to the table. Something like this. The only problem that has (aside from looking weird) is that you'd have to add the colspan="2" to most of the lines, which is tedious. But, usually we never need to sell the guides because we either use them or give them away. If we do need to sell it, we just sell it instead of look up the price. I don't know. My thought to that is no.--Rikki 08:43, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Opinion

What do you think about this? I want to have it so that there isn't a long block of tables/text forcing people to scroll down unless absolutely necessary. If you take a look at Sage, you'll see you have to scroll down to see the whole thing (at least on FireFox), but the examples you won't need to. I'm just not sure which side the main table should be, left or right? --Rikki 07:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

  • I've added collapsible tables, and modified the Template:Sandbox to use a default collapsed table. I changed Sage to use your sandbox template in place of the Template:Index template, so you can see how it will look. See my comments on the second bullet point directly above this section as to why I think this looks good. I'd like to call this Template:Cross Reference, rather than the "Index" name, as it is an easy to remember name for it (since it functions to cross reference resources to their appropriate recipes, quests, etc).
  • Oh, and by the way, if there are any features or extensions you'd like to see added, just ask. You can see the version and extensions currently installed at Special:Version.
  • Oh and double by the way, if it's not become painfully obvious by now. I'm very process-oriented, and terrible in detail orientation. Not shirking any duty, hopefully what I've done thus far is acceptable.

Azog 11:54, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

This is kind of random but...for the World Map, I added the names to it (and I looked all through my HKO folder and couldn't find the map you found!), but erm...where did The Rainbow Plain go? It's supposed to be above the West Sun Land. Is that a bug or something? --Rikki 13:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I did a search in the HKO directory for "map" and found a file named "hko_map_rgb_v006(lockedplaces).jpg". I had assumed that is where the original map posted here came from, since I couldn't see a way to get the in-game world map into a file. As for the Rainbw Plain, yes, it has disappeared from the map some time ago, see Known bugs haha :) Azog 13:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why the Template:Recipe is blue at all. And this is going to annoy me a bit, since I've turned some of the other tables blue already, but oh well that's my fault. Take a look at this and tell me what you think. It'll essentially be what all recipe pages look like, maybe.--Rikki 01:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

That looks good. Mess with the live template and get the colors how you'd like. The only other thing I would see is some different work on the borders; right now, it looks a little disconcerting. After your done, I'll add the parser code to remove the empty spaces like done in the resources template. Azog 02:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright, look at this page again. I added borders to the rest of it, look okay? I also changed the colors to the Template:Recipe so go ahead and fix it up. If the border looks better I'll add it in after you've fixed it, unless you get to it before me.--Rikki 14:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

NPC Pages

Take a look at Anthony compared to Bagel. I think Anthony's layout should be our official NPC layout. What do you think? Although, for the pictures I'd rather have something like this with the in-game image with the background image.--Rikki 01:59, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I really like where this is going! Is it possible to force the table with the picture a bit more to the left? I'm on a really wide screen so it's difficult for me to read the page maximized. -Ly 04:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I looked into it some more and assigned some widths to the table to make it more pronounced.. I think it looks perfect now. Also added in some more information to fill it out a bit more. Going to take a photo of Anthony in-game and add it to his npc photo as well as add a border. Will do this with the other npcs as well. -Ly 11:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Wonderful! Looks great. NPC pages will look pretty now, hurrah! Forgive me for not replying back, but I wasn't sure how to fix it for you, since it looked fine for me. I'm glad you got it though. XD--Rikki 22:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I've been thinking about the NPC page quotes and I've created a "Quotes" section for the npcs that have multiple quotes. For those that only have one, it should be fine to locate it under the character's picture. Is there any preference to moving the one quote into its own section or any issues with the new section itself? -Ly 18:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Item Category

Do you think we should add a general Category:Items, that Category:Resource Drops and Category:Farming Drops would be in? As well as creating Category:Merchant Items and Category:Quest Items? So that pages like Sparkly Dust and Flour have categories? Or do you guys think that's not really needed? I'm not saying that each item should be in the item category. The appropriate sub-category only should be fine. Thoughts?--Rikki 03:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Special Seeds, Hybrid Seeds, etc.

  • Regarding the Special Seeds and Hybrid Seeds pages. I was originally going to create a new page+category regarding the Hybrid Special Seeds (ex: Hybrid Special Seeds (Red & Green)), do you think that's a good idea, or should we just add those into the special seeds category?
  • Also, when we finally get around to making the Monster Seeds (ex: Flexible Boxpig Seeds), when I link to the "Grows Into", should I create "Flexible Boxpig Tree" or should I just link to a generic "Flexible Monster Tree"? Linking to each monsters own tree lets me link to its own card when adding what it drops, but other than that they all drop the same things (at least, I'm 90% sure they do). All creating one generic page will do is save time (but really it's not that hard to copy&paste). I can't do this for the Hybrid Special Tree or Hybrid Tree because even though they all look the same they drop different items.
  • Alsoalso, when we get around to the Hybrid Buffs (ex: Special Apporn Jello) should we put these in a separate cooking category? They're all cooking recipes, but it may be easier to find if we have them in their own. Something like: Category:Created Buffs or maybe Category:Homemade Buffs" instead?--Rikki 05:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Resources template

I just made some hairy changes to the Template:Resources template, as I briefly mentioned above. This removes empty rows, and just makes the template look much cleaner. I think there is at least one other template that behaves in a similar manner, so I'm going to address them at some point too. Hopefully the "documentation" I've modified/added is sufficient to explain how to use it. Azog 15:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Um, I don't think it works. *points to any resource* --Rikki 20:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
  • sigh* Ok, it works now. When I add it, and the associated templates (Template:!, Template:! and Template:!-), to the Category:Templates, that's when it breaks. I've removed them from the category, and looked at how Wikipedia does their template category, but they do it quite different: the actual template is not in a category, I think that is because the template parses the category, even with the noinclude tags around it. Will play with the categorization a bit more, but for now, they'll be categorized. Azog 20:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
That is so very bizarre. The only other template that's like the resource one is the Bestiary one, as far as I know. But it looks like that template format works fine. Very nice. Wonderful work! --Rikki 20:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. I think I got it now, it appears the extra whitespace was causing some kind of parser issue, see for example this diff, where I've put the tags and category on a single line, and now the templates appear to parse good. Right now, I'm making the assumption that the templates previous worked fine (and the Bestiary one still works) because we weren't trancluding the special table templates into the resource template, and/or were not using parser function. Azog 21:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I've adjusted the resource template's sandbox, as demonstrated here. Thoughts? -Ly 15:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

It looks OK to me. Azog 19:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures

I just found out that you can add a category to the images when you're uploading it. Simply add the category with brackets inside the summary section. So far, I'm simply adding the word "Images" to the end of whatever it is. For example: Pet Cards go in the Category:Pet Card Images. Icons go in the Category:Icon Images, Character Info shots go in the Category:Character Images and these are all in Category:Images. It's just a way to organize our images, and perhaps make it easier to search for those already uploaded. Thoughts? --Rikki 14:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh that's great. There wasn't any easy way to manage images other than the AllPages for the File: namespace. This makes it so much easier to see. Azog 23:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Page Names

Regarding farm certificates such as the Pink Field on the farm merchant pages. Should we create a separate category (Category:Farm Certificates) and just have the name be "Pink Field" or whatever without the extra "Farm Certificate" in the title?--Rikki 00:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Based on presumed search patterns, it seems more likely that a user will search for Pink Field, without the extra "Farm Certificate" on the name. I would add them to Category:Farm Certificates, and redir Farm Certificates to that category, for the same reason. strike: I see that there is already a Farm Certificates which fulfills that need. Azog 14:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Please move this if it's in the wrong place but re: page names. Should there be a "disambiguation" page to resolve searches with more than 1 meaning? E.g. a search for "lemon" leads only to the NPC Lemon page with no link to the resource "Lemon (food)". I found the latter only by searching for "lemon tree" > Resources "Lemon". --Daytripper 07:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Looked and it seems we need a Template:About like the wikipedia one. I was thinking of creating a real simple one, but if azog knows how to get the entire template I'd rather have that.
Very simple one: <blockquote>''This page is about {{{use1}}}. For other uses, see {{{use2}}}.''</blockquote>
What we would do with that is add it to the top of the pages that are disambiguated. Disabiguation pages usually are long like this, so I don't think we need the disambiguations if we have a template like the about template, because there are only one or two pages that are alike. For Lemon, we might want to move Lemon to Lemon (npc) and then have Lemon redirect to Lemon (Food).--Rikki 08:50, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Its not a big issue to try to copy a wikipedia template here. I did the same thing for the template Template:Documentation. A lot of wikipedia templates have a large number of dependencies, so it ended up being about 7 different templates all told. If you want the About template, or the Disambig template, I can easily do that.
If it is decided to go that route, I wouldn't go so far as tagging something like "Lime" as wikipedia does ("Lime (Disambiguation)", but rather have a generic "Lime", then link "Lime (food)" and "Lime (NPC)". I don't like that actual text "(Disambiguation)" on the page, and for a small project like this, I don't feel it is necessary.
An easier route, is a simple "About", tagging it as rikki also mentioned. Then add "See also Lime, the NPC" to the Lime (food) page, and then "See also Lime, the food" to the Lime (NPC) page.
One last, slightly out of scope, but still worth considering on conjunction with the direct paragraph above, is the "most likely use" concept from wikipedia. What is the most likely use for someone who searches "Lime"; would it be Lime the food or would it be Lime the NPC? When that is identified, then you add "Did you mean Lime, the NPC"?
20:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Externally linked images

I have marked the section "Go through all the pictures and make sure they're uploaded to this wiki" as in progress. If you look at a report for externally linked images, you'll see over 500 hits, and that's just for the one wiki/webserver. I'm actually writing a script to do this, so if anyone sees a lot of images being imported all of a sudden, well, that's me. I'm testing this on an off-line copy of this wiki right now, but I wanted to post a heads-up, so people don't bother doing tedious work with what can be done with a script. Azog 22:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  • 901 images have been imported. They're currently unlinked, and categorized. That'll be the next step(s). Azog 16:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, not as cut-n-dry as I was hoping. For some reason, it didn't export all of the images, so I might re-run the export script again tomorrow (maybe I ran into a throttle), and see if more come down. So for now, it's a manual process of finding unlinked images, and matching that with with a matching externally linked image. Azog 20:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Shall I start the process of categorizing the images you have uploaded? While I do that I can see if I can't link them to the appropriate pages.--Rikki 20:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, if you don't mind. I was hoping to do it in one fell swoop, but I'm not sure right now. Azog 20:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Whew, that's going pretty well, between the two of us, I think we've knocked out almost 700. But I'm done for the night; don't overstress yourself, cause while the good news is that this is almost done, the not-so-good news is that this is only the files linked to a wiki called nocookie.net. While I think that particular wiki hosted the majority of images, there are other externally linked images, from places such as imageshack, tinypic, photobucket, and perhaps others. But I have an XML dump I'll analyze next. Azog 23:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I finished categorizing the hairstyles and changed the links to the wiki images. That was actually fairly easy, since they have unique names, so I could use the AWB. The other ones are going to be a tad more annoying though...I'm done for the night too. XD--Rikki 00:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

(undent) 332 more just arrived. Azog 09:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

That batch is done... still more to go /sweat... Azog 21:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
397 incoming... Azog 16:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I guess there's no easy way around it, other than the fact that it will just take multiple sweeps thru the database until this is done. There are a few things I do need to bring up at this point:
  • There are a large number of images linked to tinypic. Since tinypic generates unique image names, the image names do not have any bearing on the actual content. See for example Face 10. I'm not going to import dozens of tinypic images with randomized names like that, so I'm not sure what to do.
  • There still are a large number of external images to other places. Right now, I am of a mind to sweep thru and tag them all under a category Category:Pages with external images. I have a feeling that many of the remaining external images are duplicates, and could be linked to a suitable internal image.
Azog 21:48, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I've tagged all the pages with tinyurl images into Category:Pages with tinypic images. There are 175. Azog 12:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

The mini-games are formatted in such a way that the clicking the image takes you to the SanrioTown page. These mini-game images are all tinyurl external images. I've uploaded File:Jungle-jumper.png, and edited Jungle Jumper to use an "external" image, to retain this behavior ([1]). Since the file cannot be wikilinked in the usual fashion, this particular file appears as a Special:UnusedFiles. If it were wikilinked in the usual manner, a click on the image would take the user to the image page, not to the mini-game. For the interim, I will refrain from editing the rest of mini-game pages, so that others may express their opinion on what to do. In the meanwhile, I'll continue to upload the tinypic images, and if nobody has any alternative suggestions, when that is done, the rest of mini-games will be formatted as such. Azog 16:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Works for me, just need to remember that it actually is being used so it doesn't get deleted because of the UnusedFiles section. -Ly 16:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Unnecessary. [[File:UnderConstruction.png|center|400px|link=http://game.sanriotown.com/playGame.php?gameID=22]] from the Badtz Maru Under Construction page (to be honest, I have no idea how I figured that out. Either google or a random, "Hey why not?").--Rikki 20:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

All Icon Images in the pages Category:Resource Drops have been linked to wiki images. A few of them were from imageshack. I'll go through the Category:Monster Drops later today.--Rikki 14:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The tinypic images have been addressed. But this brings up a separate issue unrelated to images: Old Contests, all the Aeria forum links are now dead. Actually, anything linked to Aeria's version of HKO is now dead. Some of them may exist in a cache like google, but is it worth searching for them?
I'm going to sweep thru for more external images. Azog 21:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
New category, Category:Pages with photobucket images. This one ought to be easier, as we can use AWB to find/replace search strings on pages that category. I've done a couple so far... Azog 22:49, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Section break

I am effectively calling this done, with caveats:

  • Category:Pages missing images - four pages whose images were previously hosted on Aeria, or elsewhere, which are no longer available. These can be captured easily enough.
  • Category:Pages with photobucket images - one page of the old Aeria stuff. Not sure what to do with this, since a large number of external links point to the now-dead Aeria HKO sections.
  • Category:Pages with external images - these are random screenshots hosted elsewhere. I did not upload them here, simply because I felt they would add clutter, but feel free to upload them if someone wants.

I've disabled the option to link directly to external images. The outcome of this is apparent on Screenshots.

Azog 14:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Pet stats

I've marked "Pet stuff", pet stats as "in progress". I've created "blank" pages using the templates, so now they'll show up in Category:Pet Stats (plus I hate redlinks), so now I just need to equip each card and get the level 1 screenie. Not all my pets are max, tho. Azog 19:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I filled in the Mad Skorpin Stats page with info on Stat Increase per Level. However, I kept track of the changes only from Level 19 to Level 20. Are the stat increases the same at every level? If not, should I add a note re: the level change involved? --Daytripper 08:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
From what I've observed, the stat increases usually stay the same. Sometimes, they'll change slightly after 5 levels by 1 or 2 points, but that's not a big change. It'll probably be fine to leave as is. --Rikki 08:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't like the way the pet stats layout appears when both min and max images are supplied, File:Azog-sample.jpg. If the stats table were horizontal, then it could be laid below (best) or above the min/max images. Azog 20:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I've run thru my own collection and have done as many as I have, those which were min or max. I've unmarked ownership of this task to indicate it is still available. Azog 14:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I edited the stat increase template so it will appear in the center of the page. This way it can be placed below the min/max images. For now all the pages are coded to have them appear above but that's easy to switch around. Here's a preview with the stat increase on the bottom. I personally agree that putting the increase on the bottom looks better, so I'm working on implementing this now along with some other adjustments. -Ly 15:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Template documentations

I've copied the template documentation templates from wikipedia. This has been on my mind lately, as we're using some more advanced template features, and also there are other commonly formatted tables I'd like to convert to templates.

So far, I've modifed Template:Bestiary. You'll see the actual Bestiary template coding at the top, and the documentation template transclusion at the bottom. The documentation itself is on a separate subpage of Template:Bestiary/doc. That's a consistent standard; if you transclude the Template:Documentation template, and create a /doc page on that target template, it will perform as above.

Template categories also go into the doc page, so the only thing in the actual template is the template coding.

If you view this template, the documentation template is at the bottom: 

<noinclude>{{documentation}}
<!-- Add categories and interwikis to the /doc subpage, not here! -->
</noinclude>

I'll be adding some documentation to the other templates, and eventually, the old imported information in Category:Template Guides will disappear. You can add add documentation to a template via the [Edit] link on the right side of the documentation header. If it does not appear, or you've updated existing documentation, press the [Purge] link right next to it. It is cached, and the purge button will refresh the (wiki, not local) cache.

Azog 22:29, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Create a Category:Defunct Items?

As per a (really good) suggestion by Azog, should we create a category for things like repair powder, sleep powder, and probably more items that I can't think of at the moment? They're of no current use in the game, but they still exist. A different idea might be to squish it in to a Category: Defunct and Removed Items. That could allow for things such as the wedding outfits, monkey suit, spy/pirate/knight clothes to be listed (since people still have them) but marked as things (unfortunately) no longer available in the game at this time.--Tacitala 05:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

  • In regards to this and the Rare Items. *points to this*. If we have an overarching category of items and these were subcategories I wouldn't mind. But if we do it for these, we should do it for most of the others. Also, we have the Category:Limited Edition category, which is pretty much like the rare item category you want to make. So I'm not sure we really need another.--Rikki 09:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
  • OK :) I went ahead and took the kits/powders out of the listings for the shops they were still listed in, just to make sure the lists were 100% up-to-date.--Tacitala 01:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Is the Pirate_Top still in the Item Mall? I looked in the Avatar > Top category (for girls) and did a Search but could not find it. --Daytripper 07:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Nope it's not. I moved it to Category:Item Mall Limited Edition. If you find any other items that are not in the Item Mall anymore, move them there please.--Rikki 21:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Create a Category: Rare Items

This might be a project for a little down the line, but it's something I've been wondering about. Some of us have clothing or accessories that exist, but aren't available at this time. Most of the items I can think of come from on the NA/C server from Aeria events (such as the skeleton suits from last Halloween). Should they be listed? It would take input/aid from other players (since the items are nearly one of a kind) but people might like to see the items.--Tacitala 05:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Item Type

I am trying to add the IM's Earrings and realize that what goes in the "Item Type" box is not consistent. For example, Ruby Earrings uses "Equipment", but Cherry Earrings uses "Accessory", and Topaz Earrings uses "Earrings". For "Item Type", do you want to use whatever the text is in orange of the item? or you want to use the name of the box that item goes into in Character Info page? (for example, spade earrings shows "Earrings" in orange, but it goes to the "Ears" box) It doesn't matter to me which one to use but I just want everything to be consistent --AnyaAnya 04:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It seems some items do not have orange text...Do you want to put whatever the box shows when you mouse over the item? For example, Cancer Wand shows "Hand-Held Item" but Intergalatic Wand shows "Wand". --AnyaAnya 05:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
For item pages, I would put exactly what it says on the mouse-over. The reason I say this is because I don't want to misrepresent any game specifics, even typos should be represented (i.e. "Ushana" vs. Usahana, which has since been fixed). And maybe there's a small chance that a dev (or a GM reporting to a dev) can address the inconsistencies. For categorization, you can "standardize" the category. Azog 11:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Quest Pages

I created a page for a Dream Carnival quest Happy Builder which seems to stand alone. There are no obvious choices for the "Previous Quest/Next Quest" so I omitted that field. Should the "Previous Quest/Next Quest" field be left off or what should be used? --Daytripper 08:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

If someone is following the Dream Carnival walkthru, it would be good for them to be aware of this quest. I'd probably suggest inserting this between Dream A Little Dream and Crank It Up to 18 (Part 1), which is the start of the "ending" DC quests. You can put some text into the quest description indicating that this is an optional quest. Azog 11:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Azog on this one. Don't leave it stand alone. --Rikki 12:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm wondering if we should add a section to each quest page (under quest name perhaps) called "Questline" so we say whether it is a main quest or a side quest. For the SH through Beijing quests, the order it is in now is the order I did them in. For the NY quests, I'm trying to put all the main quests first and then have the side quests after them. So, some of the quests I'm adding (like the Pet Problems arc) are just floating out there for now...should I just put in a note in the Quest Walkthrough, or should we have a little section by itself that says this is an optional/side quest?--Rikki 21:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think New York requires a slightly different treatment than the rest of the world, due to the rather non-linear nature of it. I would start from the Jersey Trails, and walk thru all the way up to the Curious Package. One thing I have been suggesting to people is that they do not do the "part II" cheering series until after they cheer the Mayor up. Once they finish with the Mayor, they'll need to start on the Curious Sparkler series, and the "part II" series will kill two birds with one stone: finishing the quests, as well as a "natural" progression to upgrade the Curious Sparkler. Something like this:
  • Jersey Trail quests
  • Starting the New York quests until the Cheer I series
  • Beat the Mayor, then collect the quest trigger for the Curious Sparkler
  • Cheer II series
  • Any "optional" quests, such as the New York Minute (you won't have the required FP until the end, anyway), Scouts Happy Vibes, and anything that doesn't flow thru the story.
  • Repeatable quests. Azog 11:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
New York is actually the first map of the quest chain.. at least if you want to do it properly. You get the Kiddie Sparkler from accepting the Blondies quest & finshing it if you want, then skipping up to Cappy to get the gadgetry as well as the handle pieces.. then the wand that we were supposed to get is powerful against the chillyhounds which makes them much easier to handle for any level player. The problem is this quest chain is still bugged, and players that already completed it have no way of receiving the wand. -Ly 11:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not convinced of this. The wand you speak of is the New Jersey's Spirit (Powered Down), which rewards New Jersey Spirit, but this is a sparkler, not a wand, and does not work for the Chillyhounds. The NJ Spirit sparkler is for use on the Super Cranky Cappy!.
The quest items for the Jersey Trails are for sale in the Item Mall, so players don't need to combat the Chillyhounds to start the quest chain. When players do follow the Jersey Trail quests, they lead to the sparkler upgrades, which Badtsunko's quest does not do, and the sparkler upgrades are an intrinsic part of the series. It wouldn't be the first time they've sold quest-related items in the item mall (the Mystery Seeds from the 2009 Christmas event). Azog 14:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah, alright.. that makes sense then. Without being able to test the wand, I wasn't sure about how it's supposed to work but it is a cheer item after all. -Ly 22:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Deletion requests

I've made a very simple template, Template:Delete, which simply adds the page or file to Category:Deletion requests. Add this template to the top of anything you want deleted:

{{delete}}

Azog 23:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Boys rewards for Beijing, image editing

I've marked the boys quest rewards for Beijing as complete. There were only two, Striped T-Shirt, and Cane. I don't have an equipped image for the t-shirt, but I did upload three images for the cane. I've pasted their image names in Talk:Cane. If whomever is editing the the images for the inserts could look at them, and upload processed versions, that would be great. Azog 21:21, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I finished up with the images, marked the proper pages for deleting and put the equipped version on the Cane page. -Ly 21:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding to the resources template

Looking at search stats, some people are searching for things like "what tool is needed" for collecting resources. I've copied the resources template to a sandbox, added a "minimum tool required", and you can see the outcome at User:Azog/Rock. Since the resources is a template, it can easily be added without disrupting the rest of the pages, and a default "Unknown" can be added as a placeholder. Any thoughts, pros or cons? Azog 18:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm all for it. I find that users ask in-game which tool they need to mine/chop/gather _____ quite often so I end up going through all of the tools to see which item would be most suitable for the resource.. this would save a lot of time and I cant think of any cons since it doesn't even clutter the template. In that example the resource image just has to be scaled down a bit to make that section stretch less, but that's quite simple to do. The sooner this is applied, the better in my opinion. -Ly 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that several resources have two types of collections (i.e., you can gather and chop from some trees). I've modified my sample to illustrate this. Notice that I used the template {{-}} rather than the <br> code, altho there should be no fundamental difference. Azog 19:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks great to me! I'm always for more organization, surprised the minimum tools haven't been suggested before. -Ly 19:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I've made the changes live, and adjusted the docs page. Azog 20:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Works great! I've added the tools to all resources. -Ly 02:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Item Template

Yup, I was bored enough to try it today and it seems to have worked out. Do you guys have any additions for it? such as different colors or another item stat entry? Here's the necessary pages to check out: Template:Items and some examples: Essence of Art, Paper, Purple Tank Top. Also, please note that this isn't supposed to replace the item mall item pages or other items such as houses that use a different color scheme and layout. -Ly 00:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Love it! Works perfect with the hairstyles too! I'm just wondering if there's any particular reason the header and sidebars are a different shade of pink. I understand why the middle section is a different color, but not the others. --Rikki 19:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Hehe that was just my graphic design side coming into play.. thought making those headers a little lighter than the name portion would give it a little pop. Feel free to play with the colors on the template ^^ at least now we wont have to edit all pages every time we're looking for something a little different. Glad you like it! :D -Ly 20:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Are there any plans for a seperate template for Foods? Or should we use the Items template for Foods as well? Daytripper 06:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Oopsy, I see it needed the Energy & AP restored sections, thanks for pointing that out! It should work for foods now as well. :) -Ly 17:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for making the change :) Do you think there should be a field for the tag [Consumable Item]? Some Foods, e.g. bread, have it while others e.g. flour and beef don't. Daytripper 20:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Hm.. we do have a misc information field now thanks to azog, maybe add a note there on the foods that aren't consumable since the ones that are have the Energy/AP restored parts. -Ly 12:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Key collection template

While it's not likely that they'll add more/many keys, I still converted the key collection into a template, Template:Key Collection. Azog 19:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Starter hair for boys

With the assistance of a GM, I've created Category:Starter Boys Hair. There is one image that needs to be cleaned up File:Combed-back-white-short-hair-icon.jpg. I could not clean up in a satisfactory manner. There aren't any front/back shots, so I left that field empty. This category isn't linked to anything else, and I put all the associated files and pages into the same category so that there isn't any confusion on the non-availability of these styles.

I'll try to puppy-dog-eyes for the girls, and then the skin-tones, altho the GM was more than accommodating when I explained what my project was. I just didn't want to press my welcome, since they're solo this time of week, and undoubtedly overworked even so. Azog 20:59, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

And the same for Category:Starter Girls Hair. Azog 21:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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